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Future Trunks vs. Android 19
Topic Started: Jan 10 2018, 01:04 AM (1,359 Views)
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Ok, when Goku returned to Earth at the beginning of the Cell Saga, he had a sparring session with Trunks in which he was able to block the attacks from his sword with his finger, demonstrating that he was inferior to Goku. And this was before Goku's 3 year training period in preparation for the Androids. Trunks' inferiority is also evidenced by the way Vegeta punches and belittles him during the Android arc.

Given this, how do you think Trunks fares against 19?

Round 1- Trunks knows about 19's energy absorbing abilities

Round 2- He does not know about them
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Trunks from when he first showed up would get stomped.

Trunks from after his android training would stomp #19.
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#19 takes this, Trunks's power is around that of Goku (Frieza Arc). Unless you think #19 is weaker than that there's no way Future Trunks is winning.
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So this is the Future Trunks that killed Mecha Frieza right? Hmm, I think he could win, 19 wasn't very impressive at all.
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I have 19 around 60 percent of max Freeza, Trunks wins easily.
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I don't think 19 or 20 were that impressive. I generally have them around 50% Frieza level, maybe 19 is pushing to 70% and 20 is more like 75% or so.

If Trunks were to know about the androids absorbing ability, he'd just cut their arms and win easily.

If he doesn't, I could see Trunks before the training beaten. He'd make a mistake and fire a huge ki blast, only to be absorbed by 19 which will turn the tables on him. After training is a lot more stronger; he might be able to notice the huge power up 19 would get from absorbing his blast but is still strong enough to have the advantage and not feed 19.

Trunks when he meets Goku wins 1st round but loses second, android arc Trunks wins each round.
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To coin a phrase... "these aren't the 'droids you're looking for."

Whatever Toriyama's original plans for 19 and 20 may have been, with the advent of 17 and 18 instead they were changed to be treated like non-threats, weak enough even after considerable absorptions that Piccolo and a drastically-weakened Vegeta could still take them out. I really just don't them being much of a challenge for anyone in the Super Saiyan range of power, and that includes Trunks here.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

No. 19 beats the living crap out of Trunks and hell, as far as I'm concerned, Post-Yardrat Goku too and makes it look like an accident.
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Trunks would beat both 19 and 20 at the same with no effort.
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Why would Trunks be stronger when he returns? If he could get stronger easily in his own time, wouldn't he just do that and beat the androids? Plus the timelines running linear next to each other is only a thing since Super. Trunks was smallish when he arrived and only 17, he comes bac 3 years later and looks the same and then spends one year in the ROSAT and comes out taller at 21? I always thought Trunks simply went home, gathered the material needed to travel and then came straight back 3 years further along the past timeline.

19 and 20 are below Freeza for me, they were thoroughly underwhelming to Piccolo and Vegeta, only their absorption were a threat.
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Why would Trunks be stronger when he returns? If he could get stronger easily in his own time, wouldn't he just do that and beat the androids? Plus the timelines running linear next to each other is only a thing since Super. Trunks was smallish when he arrived and only 17, he comes bac 3 years later and looks the same and then spends one year in the ROSAT and comes out taller at 21? I always thought Trunks simply went home, gathered the material needed to travel and then came straight back 3 years further along the past timeline.

19 and 20 are below Freeza for me, they were thoroughly underwhelming to Piccolo and Vegeta, only their absorption were a threat.
The narrative says so. Piccolo doesn't consider Freeza a threat anymore, but he was inferior to Trunks by a decent amount.
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I don't see how 19/20 could possibly be below Frieza. Trunk easily defeated Frieza and his father, yet was no match for Goku before he trained for the Androids. Yet 19 was able to survive fighting Goku before he fell ill to the heart virus.

If 19 was weaker than Frieza, Goku would have one-shotted him, even with the heart virus (I don't have Goku being all that much weaker from the virus when they first started fighting).
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Jan 11 2018, 02:44 AM
I don't see how 19/20 could possibly be below Frieza. Trunk easily defeated Frieza and his father, yet was no match for Goku before he trained for the Androids. Yet 19 was able to survive fighting Goku before he fell ill to the heart virus.

If 19 was weaker than Frieza, Goku would have one-shotted him, even with the heart virus (I don't have Goku being all that much weaker from the virus when they first started fighting).
Goku was badly compromised because of his illness. And yes, he was a lot weaker even in the beginning of the fight, he was winded from just flying and Piccolo commented on how his ki should be much higher then it was.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

No. 19 an No. 20 only being at 50% or so Freeza doesn't even make sense. It's basically indirectly established that Goku, heart virus or not, is fighting at a level stronger than his Post-Yardrat self. That's the whole point, he has to be. The idea is that the cyborgs are so powerful that our heroes 3 years ago wouldn't have stood a chance. If Goku's weaker than this, not only should it cause great alarm for Piccolo and the others but it also answers Piccolo's other query.

Whether the cyborgs were as dangerous as Trunks claimed or if our heroes just got too strong. However, that question is answered if Goku's that much weaker. The answer is no, Trunks claimed the cyborgs would be far stronger than them 3 years ago but in truth, they are far weaker.

And if we have No. 19 and No. 20 only at 50% Freeza, it means these characters who are less than half of Freeza's strength, can survive against people who have the power to one shot Freeza if they wanted. Which also goes to another point. Trunks basically one shotted Freeza. The narration makes this point clear. Freeza nor his father are a threat to Trunks in any way.

If Goku can't one shot a guy 2x+ weaker than Mecha Freeza despite being far stronger than Trunks, what does that really say about No. 19?
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Androids don't show or react to taking damage the same way that organic fighters do. That gets pointed out several times in the story. Damage/survival feats are already hella inconsistent, and they're even more so for Androids, especially the fully-artificial ones.

19 doesn't have to be a minimum of X% as strong as SS Goku just because one punch from him didn't knock off his head or make him dramatically double over and drop dead.

Also, as I pointed out before... even though it was changed and established retroactively, 19 and 20 weren't actually the pair of Androids who were a threat to Trunks. Any prior requirement for them to be up on that level went flying out the window. There's no single right answer for their power placement.
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